Revival of the large air defence escort Edit In 1999, the eventual replacement for the Type 42 … The CVA-01 fleet aircraft carrier was designed to replace the World War II vintage aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy. I know we protest about the lack of funding for the navy but the army is probably in a worst state , it would struggle to put 5000 men into a medium intensity campaign and support them for 28 days . He has zero imagination and no grasp of defence and diplomacy and how the two work together. Wasting money to keep them, helping others to pretend “RN still has 19 escorts”, no merit I can find here…. No need to pay cost to keep them in “extended readiness” and can get more tighter relation with the exported country (Brazil or Chilli ?). Unless of course the reason she’s be kept as the training vessel for so long is that she weighs in at almost 7000 tons. Usually buying cheap second hand warships don’t last long and will have incompatible systems for the RN to use, so to upgrade will cost a lot of £! bager1968 13K 1,302 6 So this is the spiritual successor to HMS Bristol (T82) then! It looks like now essentially every other capability in the surface fleet is up for grabs in terms of further cuts. And the products are not over priced either, If you want the worlds best AAW or ASW platform and then build them in small numbers expect to pay top dollar. It seems likely that we will acquire two new and slightly larger 35,000-tonne landing helicopter dock (LHD) vessels similar to Australia’s Canberra Class. It looks like to help pay for the F35 and mega-carriers, in addition to HMS Ocean being already sold, Admiral’s first choice was to gut the Royal Marines and get rid of the ships that they needed to operate (Albion and Bulwark). Uk is always going to be a frontline nation in the defence of the democracies because of geography, ability and world wide friendships. As the fleet downsized, maintaining a unique vessel when plenty of other air defence destroyers were in commission no longer seemed worthwhile. After a busy 2018 including operations in the Arctic Circle, she suffered a propulsion defect of some kind in December 208 that left her stranded for a week in Gdynia, Poland. I suspect the aim will be to replace them with anti-mine modules that can be added to the T31e when required to fulfil that role. This site has no official endorsement by the RN or MoD. At no stage did I say the QECs were designed for anyone else but the RN, evidenced by the lack of consideration of French needs. The CVA-01 fleet aircraft carrier was designed to replace the World War II vintage aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy.The first plans were for two carriers and to protect these carriers four new Type 82 area air defence destroyers [N 1] were to be built. In September 1987 Bristol was selected to replace HMS Fife as Dartmouth training ship. Letâs hope we can get the Type 31s into service although I still believe that program is very vulnerable for the next round of defence cuts. Now with the Sea Cadet corps announcing they will not be using her as an accommodation ship and the Royal Navy deciding not to extend her life, the future of this veteran, is uncertain. About bloody time, she’s been sat in a drydock for God knows how long at this point. This option appears to have been rolled back (at least for the time being) by politicians. They should have been replaced by the type 26 by now but that was delayed to build the white elephants and now will cost 25% more and deliver 50% less hulls and take 50% longer to build . She is due to replace HMS Lancaster in the FRC and will need extensive work. If the MoD had Not sold HMS Grafton in 2004, it would have had a spare frigate to replace HMS Iron Duke with! Effectively,5 people have disagreed with me and voted down buying new equipment for the RN.I am winning the argument. Because 5 T23 in refit, with no crew, are eventually coming back. Well you can`t expect to maintain valuable naval assets when you have got to spend £14 billion on foreign aid! Seems to me that she should be scrapped now before wasting any more money. Ministry of Defence images ©Crown Copyright. the amount of financial pain that would cause the western nations would be massive. The Type 26 Global Combat Ship is a 21st Century warship that will replace the Type 23 frigate as the workhorse of the Fleet, undertaking the Royal Navy's three core roles - warfighting, maritime security and international engagement - on the world stage. In 1990 the British Army had 800 tanks, today 156, very sad. However, a change of government and competition from the RAF (the RAF and Navy were both expected to use the … And Hammond! HMS Monmouth (Age 27) Therefore, I am going to remove the text about the ship being scrapped per Wikipedia is … So this is the spiritual successor to HMS Bristol (T82) then! When the Treasury advances the funding to pay for all 13 planned frigates, THEN old ships that have been laid up can be scrapped. This valuable covered facility owned by Babcock has 3 dry docks and is instrumental in completing the frigate upgrades at a steady pace. She was of the opinion that getting rid of HMS Ocean was the best thing we could do. Stop bashing BAE. HMS Bristol was paid off in 1991 and refitted to again replace Kent, this time as the training ship located at the shore establishment HMS Excellent. The CVA-01 fleet aircraft carrier was designed to replace the World War II vintage aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy.The first plans were for two carriers and to protect these carriers four new Type 82 area air defence destroyers [N 1] were to be built. In 1963, the then Minister of Defence Peter Thorneycroft, announced in Parliament that one new aircraft carrier would be built, at an estimated cost of £56 million. I suspect he would be more likely to go after the carriers or nuclear submarines, although only time will tell. Type 26 Frigate. Seems much more realistic to scrap 1 or 2,probably corporate and political interests are preventing this from happening. Even if defence funding were increased, it wouldn’t be enough to stop the decline. As for HMS BRISTOL would be a problem to replace, especially given the amount of facilities that have been built onboard. If the “19 escort” saga is important, just say it is “gapped for only a decade, until ~2030”. On June 14, 1991 Bristol ended her role as Dartmouth training ship and in 1993 became static training ship of HMS Excellent Portsmouth and is permanently HMS Bristol was a Bristol-class wooden screw frigate of the Royal Navy. She spent around 5 weeks conducting scheduled mid-deployment maintenance in Singapore in November 2018. As of 28th October 2020, HMS Bristol was decommissioned and waiting to be scrapped or reserved. After more than a year in reduced readiness in Devonport, Portland began her LIFEX in February 2018. Interesting. Bristol was stripped of her sensors and weaponry long ago so i wouldn’t imagine Sea Dart’s obsolescence would matter, but i agree that replacing her with one of the Type 23’s would make sense given they will be closer in design to the future classes and Bristol is now 50 years old. If the Blair and Brown governments’ intentions were to maintain the RN as a truly independent force, they wouldn’t have taken the easy option of just cutting ship numbers and pushing back important programmes. She served during the Falklands conflict in 1982 before being decommissioned nine years later. We saw what happens in Iran when the western backed dictator eventually falls out of favour with the local people. Russian defence spending (2017) is a third greater than the UK. Unique HMS Bristol is set to be scrapped by the Royal Navy next year after a whopping 57 years in the water. Monmouth completed an 18-month refit in June 2015. Bristol is permanently berthed at the RN shore training establishment HMS Excellent, on Whale Island, Portsmouth. Richmond will be the first Type 23 to change base port and will become a Devonport ship when she rejoins the fleet. *Age is the number of full years since launched. Hopefully thereâs still a department doing that. Europe’s two major naval powers, us and France, were to provide 3 large carriers (2 RN, and the French CdG), while the rest of the union provided the escorts. Also noted that Dauntless is being moved back into 3 basin at Portsmouth tomorrow which should be good news. The RN will struggle to actually man a carrier battle group and maintain its other commitments. Keeping 2 in “extended readiness” (even not calling it reserve) allows others to claim, “RN still has 19 escorts”, which is not true. HMS Bristol, the closest the RN came to a new cruiser during the Cold War With the later Type 22 and 23 frigates the RN moved to fewer, more individually capable, platforms. The Type 4X, the Type 45 Destroyer replacement, is just an early concept at this stage but a variant of the Type 26 Frigate is officially being considered for the job. Work was intended to bring facilities on the naval ship in line with health and safety standards.The redundant masts containing the ship’s Type 1022 and Type 992Q search radars were removed. You want to keep something unviable that you don’t have the resources to use, just to make a political point?Something else will have to be cut to pay for it. The RN needs to be familiar with the systems before operating a frigate, and the costs involved in training crew etc. So those 18 USN carriers are very useful! I predict that once operational the carriers will probably spend 30 days a year at sea because of manning and cost issues. that ladies and gentlemen doesn’t bear thinking about. (The ships were typically laid down 2 years before launch). Each refit is done to a budget and expenditure on structural work may come at the expense of some equipment upgrades. Primarily because the last Type 23 was built 18 years ago, we are at the point now that you are better off setting up build of a new class. Technically we no longer have minesweepers. Somerset began preparing for LIFEX refit in November 2018 but only recently entered the FRC and will be out of action until sometime in 2020. She arrived in Devonport with a slight list to starboard, small rust holes in the deck and grass growing on the flight deck. Get with the RN assist National Ship Building Program and also support the RAF or move over and let someone else do the job. There were supposed to have been 4 x T82 to go with the CVA01 project. Deliberately wasting money because government can’t be trusted to replace ships on faith. Do I want to? You can’t blame them for playing the game when it’s the politicians that are making the rules. 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